Piracy communities remain blocked on lemmy.world despite "Unremoval of Piracy Communities" announcement
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I recently read an interesting comment about .ml that I think is worth sharing: https://lemmy.ml/post/42725005/23793647
As nice as those anticommercial ideals are, I generally just see shills that enjoy downplaying Russia’s invasion and justifying Iran’s mass-murdering of protesters out of .ml. Some really, really bizarre cyberstalking weirdos too.
Might be survivorship bias because only the assholes get noticed, but .ml has a pretty shitty reputation because of them.
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Seems kinda hypcritical. Aw well, hivemind gonna hivemind.
Do you even know why the vote to defederate from Feddit came up? It’s because there are quite a few Palestinian genocide apologist accounts from there. It’s like the Nazi bar problem, you tolerate a few hanging out there and suddenly everyone else leaves while it gets full of them. I’d rather not hear that shit myself.
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So long as communities based on a common theme exist online, there WILL be a hivemind. Much like how we are not immune to propaganda, online communities are not immune to bandwagoning.
This is far from e.g. Mastodon-like mob behaviour. But I get what you mean
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Things are done there by consent. I see that’s something you don’t approve of.
By consent of others, whoever registered there will be forced to that outcome even if they disagree. I fail to see how that’s a good thing
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By consent of others, whoever registered there will be forced to that outcome even if they disagree. I fail to see how that’s a good thing
You can always go to another instance that wishes to associate with them. The idea of the fediverse is you get to pick the experience you want.
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If censorship is what’s being criticized, it’s no different. This is why I tell people not to use db0.
Used to be the first thing we’d suggest but it’s just become such a nanny instance that jumps on everyone’s shit.
If censorship is what’s being criticized, it’s no different.
I hate when censorship comes for people I do like.
I love when censorship comes for people I don’t like.
it’s just become such a nanny instance that jumps on everyone’s shit.
Admins are fighting a flood of instances and users more interested in getting attention than participating in the community. Consequently, you’ll have power users ballooning the front page with click-bait. You’ll have instances choke full of reactionary content specifically intended to bait a flame war. You’ll have spammers plugging their own brands or working on behalf of some third party. And you’ll have the odd bot-farm or other automated account that’s just probing the Fediverse for gaps.
“Ah, but the individual users can always block what they choose”
Sure. Technically. But nobody wants to wake up every morning to a front page that’s full of shit. The spammers can bloat your inbox faster than the individual can flush it out. So Admins who step in and do a little public house cleaning - the Nanny work you hate - makes the website cleaner and friendlier for lay users that pop in now and then.
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For you and @[email protected], if flair, in this case, is similar to tagging users in other clients, it’s a setting and feature set of clients like Voyager. You can tag users by going to their profile, selecting the three dots or whatever to get things like block user, and selecting tag. You can even change the vote total for them if you enable the setting to track vote totals for accounts.
I personally only modify the votes for accounts that I negatively tag. A super negative total is dark red and stands out!
unrelated but i love your 5 line keyboard layout
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technics? those are the fancy lego right? i’m all about fancy lego
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Do you even know why the vote to defederate from Feddit came up? It’s because there are quite a few Palestinian genocide apologist accounts from there. It’s like the Nazi bar problem, you tolerate a few hanging out there and suddenly everyone else leaves while it gets full of them. I’d rather not hear that shit myself.
That would require understanding or research when they just want to use a gotcha
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That’s why I run my own instance, dont like others decide what must be censored for me.
But so you can decide for others what you want to censor for them on your instance. Because I can name a few things that you would probably want ASAP removed from your instance, if someone posted such things.
Everyone would do the same if they personally were exposed to legal liability.
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But so you can decide for others what you want to censor for them on your instance. Because I can name a few things that you would probably want ASAP removed from your instance, if someone posted such things.
Everyone would do the same if they personally were exposed to legal liability.
I am my only user, so…
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I recently read an interesting comment about .ml that I think is worth sharing: https://lemmy.ml/post/42725005/23793647
That wall of text could be summarized as “but what about the other guys” without addressing a single criticism.
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If censorship is what’s being criticized, it’s no different.
I hate when censorship comes for people I do like.
I love when censorship comes for people I don’t like.
it’s just become such a nanny instance that jumps on everyone’s shit.
Admins are fighting a flood of instances and users more interested in getting attention than participating in the community. Consequently, you’ll have power users ballooning the front page with click-bait. You’ll have instances choke full of reactionary content specifically intended to bait a flame war. You’ll have spammers plugging their own brands or working on behalf of some third party. And you’ll have the odd bot-farm or other automated account that’s just probing the Fediverse for gaps.
“Ah, but the individual users can always block what they choose”
Sure. Technically. But nobody wants to wake up every morning to a front page that’s full of shit. The spammers can bloat your inbox faster than the individual can flush it out. So Admins who step in and do a little public house cleaning - the Nanny work you hate - makes the website cleaner and friendlier for lay users that pop in now and then.
I think the censorship arguments can definitely use some maturing… for example, what would you think of the cultural censorship that occurs with Nazi ideology? Probably want to keep that one, huh?
We don’t necessarily want to do away with censorship, I think. But, I think in the most mature world, it would be healthy to.
Why can’t the boy ask his priest about his most serious doubts regarding god, and receive an honest answer back? Why does the priest say the solution is faith, an inward focused quality to be solved at the individual-level?
There is so much fear, so much bias, so much identity tethered to ideology… sometimes I don’t know if humans can help it. Censorship is a … nuanced issue.
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But so you can decide for others what you want to censor for them on your instance. Because I can name a few things that you would probably want ASAP removed from your instance, if someone posted such things.
Everyone would do the same if they personally were exposed to legal liability.
I highly suspect that they’re the sole user on their instance. That’s fairly common for people who just want to avoid the headache of dealing with rogue admins. Just spin up an instance, and then your server only federates with the instances and communities that you directly interact with. No need to worry about the “things you would want removed ASAP” unless you’re the one seeking out those things.
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I think the censorship arguments can definitely use some maturing… for example, what would you think of the cultural censorship that occurs with Nazi ideology? Probably want to keep that one, huh?
We don’t necessarily want to do away with censorship, I think. But, I think in the most mature world, it would be healthy to.
Why can’t the boy ask his priest about his most serious doubts regarding god, and receive an honest answer back? Why does the priest say the solution is faith, an inward focused quality to be solved at the individual-level?
There is so much fear, so much bias, so much identity tethered to ideology… sometimes I don’t know if humans can help it. Censorship is a … nuanced issue.
Why can’t the boy ask his priest about his most serious doubts regarding god, and receive an honest answer back?
Why is the priest allowed to just make shit up with nothing more than a bronze aged poorly translated manuscript to back him up? The boy should be able to ask away. It’s the priest that should be censored.
There is so much fear, so much bias, so much identity tethered to ideology
Crazy factoid I learned recently. Children younger than 18 are prohibited from participating in religious activities and receiving religious education, even in schools run by religious organizations within China. If you’re too young to consent, you’re too young to be indoctrinated into a religious tradition.
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Why can’t the boy ask his priest about his most serious doubts regarding god, and receive an honest answer back?
Why is the priest allowed to just make shit up with nothing more than a bronze aged poorly translated manuscript to back him up? The boy should be able to ask away. It’s the priest that should be censored.
There is so much fear, so much bias, so much identity tethered to ideology
Crazy factoid I learned recently. Children younger than 18 are prohibited from participating in religious activities and receiving religious education, even in schools run by religious organizations within China. If you’re too young to consent, you’re too young to be indoctrinated into a religious tradition.
Why is the priest allowed to just make shit up with nothing more than a bronze aged poorly translated manuscript to back him up? The boy should be able to ask away. It’s the priest that should be censored.
I mostly agree-ish. But the priest is really a metaphor for us all. See, the priest happened to make a very human mistake: identify yourself with your ideology. The problem there is rather simple: ideology is unstable, and people compensate for that via censorship. The reason people compensate that way is more complex… it has to do with the relationship they’ve created between themselves and the ideology, codependency. If the ideology is attacked, it feels like a personal attack. If the ideology is destroyed, it can feel like philosophical death. People, like the priest, respond like an act of self-preservation.
We do this with all kinds of topics. Sexism, racism, nazism, … the Right would also do this for communism and socialism. If someone came to you with a thought experiment to explore the merits of racism from an objective perspective, how easy would it be to participate? Not so much, reasonably so, I’d imagine.
You run into this problem where now, you’re concerned with what should and shouldn’t be censored. That sounds great and all… but it really isn’t any better. When humanities experience of the world revolved around their connection with god, it made sense to censor the heathens. Common sense to do so, dare I say. That idea doesn’t look so good in retrospect, but what’s changed now is just the context we live in. What hasn’t changed is the problem.
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If censorship is what’s being criticized, it’s no different.
I hate when censorship comes for people I do like.
I love when censorship comes for people I don’t like.
it’s just become such a nanny instance that jumps on everyone’s shit.
Admins are fighting a flood of instances and users more interested in getting attention than participating in the community. Consequently, you’ll have power users ballooning the front page with click-bait. You’ll have instances choke full of reactionary content specifically intended to bait a flame war. You’ll have spammers plugging their own brands or working on behalf of some third party. And you’ll have the odd bot-farm or other automated account that’s just probing the Fediverse for gaps.
“Ah, but the individual users can always block what they choose”
Sure. Technically. But nobody wants to wake up every morning to a front page that’s full of shit. The spammers can bloat your inbox faster than the individual can flush it out. So Admins who step in and do a little public house cleaning - the Nanny work you hate - makes the website cleaner and friendlier for lay users that pop in now and then.
feddit wasn’t a spam instance?
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You can always go to another instance that wishes to associate with them. The idea of the fediverse is you get to pick the experience you want.
The idea of the fediverse is you get to pick the experience you want.
It’s you get to see content from different instances if many instances defederate each other then what the reason of fediverse?
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If censorship is what’s being criticized, it’s no different.
I hate when censorship comes for people I do like.
I love when censorship comes for people I don’t like.
it’s just become such a nanny instance that jumps on everyone’s shit.
Admins are fighting a flood of instances and users more interested in getting attention than participating in the community. Consequently, you’ll have power users ballooning the front page with click-bait. You’ll have instances choke full of reactionary content specifically intended to bait a flame war. You’ll have spammers plugging their own brands or working on behalf of some third party. And you’ll have the odd bot-farm or other automated account that’s just probing the Fediverse for gaps.
“Ah, but the individual users can always block what they choose”
Sure. Technically. But nobody wants to wake up every morning to a front page that’s full of shit. The spammers can bloat your inbox faster than the individual can flush it out. So Admins who step in and do a little public house cleaning - the Nanny work you hate - makes the website cleaner and friendlier for lay users that pop in now and then.
But nobody wants to wake up every morning to a front page that’s full of shit
Don’t you know admins can have a default blocklist for all users (if a user want they can change that list)
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“Unremoval of Piracy Communities” https://lemmy.world/post/6018317
This post needs to be updated to reflect the current policy.
Six months later, a new Removal of piracy communities announcement confirmed that these communities had been removed.
[email protected], which was the most popular piracy community, is still inaccessible to lemmy.world users. This is misleading: users see the old post, sign-up, and then find out they cannot access the community.Please edit the original post to include the new removal announcement.
I didn’t mean this post would make people talk about whole federation and censorship. Looks like we really need to talk about Federation and Censorship
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