Are users data protected on the fediverse?
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In other words, can any user delete its data on its will and is there something that will remove its data from all the connected activitypub services?
I believe this should actually be a basic feature and pretty much a requirement. -
In other words, can any user delete its data on its will and is there something that will remove its data from all the connected activitypub services?
I believe this should actually be a basic feature and pretty much a requirement.Basically, the right to be forgotten? Afaik, on Reddit you have scripts to erase all message and rewrite/redact them with nonsense.
I assume something similar may exist for Lemmy, Piefed, etc.
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In other words, can any user delete its data on its will and is there something that will remove its data from all the connected activitypub services?
I believe this should actually be a basic feature and pretty much a requirement.Don’t think so. There is also nothing stopping an instance admin to patch Lemmy to ignore delete requests.
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In other words, can any user delete its data on its will and is there something that will remove its data from all the connected activitypub services?
I believe this should actually be a basic feature and pretty much a requirement.Anything you post here is public as well as your activity through the modlog.
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Basically, the right to be forgotten? Afaik, on Reddit you have scripts to erase all message and rewrite/redact them with nonsense.
I assume something similar may exist for Lemmy, Piefed, etc.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I believed we were better than Reddit… I truly believe this should be a BASIC feature.
On Reddit you have to manually delete every single post, if you forget to do that basically your entire posts and comments history will be online forever…I know there’s still internet archive ecc ecc ecc, but still I believe this should just be an activitypub feature, not something to be managed by single platforms.
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In other words, can any user delete its data on its will and is there something that will remove its data from all the connected activitypub services?
I believe this should actually be a basic feature and pretty much a requirement.No, not at all. Any data that is federated out assume it’s impossible to delete. Sure you can delete stuff from the original server, but will the federated ones obey the request? Or even get the request in the first place?
Nothing you post on social media should have any expectation of privacy.
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In other words, can any user delete its data on its will and is there something that will remove its data from all the connected activitypub services?
I believe this should actually be a basic feature and pretty much a requirement.It’s harder to delete things here than on non-federated services because everything you do here gets copied to lots of other servers, which are supposed to delete things when you do, but it’s impossible to guarantee that they always will (on purpose or by mistake).
I once deleted a comment here almost immediately after saving it, but then still got multiple upvotes for it. I found out that this was because one big instance hadn’t deleted it for whatever reason and its users had no idea that I’d meant to delete it.
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I believed we were better than Reddit… I truly believe this should be a BASIC feature.
On Reddit you have to manually delete every single post, if you forget to do that basically your entire posts and comments history will be online forever…I know there’s still internet archive ecc ecc ecc, but still I believe this should just be an activitypub feature, not something to be managed by single platforms.
Why? It’s all public information. If a central authority COULD delete all your posts and erase your existence, that would be bad
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I believed we were better than Reddit… I truly believe this should be a BASIC feature.
On Reddit you have to manually delete every single post, if you forget to do that basically your entire posts and comments history will be online forever…I know there’s still internet archive ecc ecc ecc, but still I believe this should just be an activitypub feature, not something to be managed by single platforms.
Asking to delete data that you published on the public internet is the same as asking for water to be not wet.
Don’t fall for the illusion of privacy that the proprietary networks give you: there are people that copy data from reddit just for the fun of it. Always assume that anything you publish online is publicly available.
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In other words, can any user delete its data on its will and is there something that will remove its data from all the connected activitypub services?
I believe this should actually be a basic feature and pretty much a requirement.The only really important thing is the user account and it should never cave info about ip address or such that is connecting to it.
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No, not at all. Any data that is federated out assume it’s impossible to delete. Sure you can delete stuff from the original server, but will the federated ones obey the request? Or even get the request in the first place?
Nothing you post on social media should have any expectation of privacy.
You are technically correct but the fact is that 99.9% of federated activities, including delete requests, are processed normally and in the expected way. That is not “impossible to delete” that is “will be deleted except in exceptional circumstances”.
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I believed we were better than Reddit… I truly believe this should be a BASIC feature.
On Reddit you have to manually delete every single post, if you forget to do that basically your entire posts and comments history will be online forever…I know there’s still internet archive ecc ecc ecc, but still I believe this should just be an activitypub feature, not something to be managed by single platforms.
It is a basic feature and it does work. Except in rare cases.
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In other words, can any user delete its data on its will and is there something that will remove its data from all the connected activitypub services?
I believe this should actually be a basic feature and pretty much a requirement.Unfortunately I think it must be assumed in this day and age that any content posted online publicly may be stored indefinitely, on any platform. Even if you delete it, there are bots scraping all your comments, and you won’t be able to delete from those databases. So I’m not sure how much utility this feature would have today.
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In other words, can any user delete its data on its will and is there something that will remove its data from all the connected activitypub services?
I believe this should actually be a basic feature and pretty much a requirement.Deleted comments seem to be saved forever so you can undelete them.
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You are technically correct but the fact is that 99.9% of federated activities, including delete requests, are processed normally and in the expected way. That is not “impossible to delete” that is “will be deleted except in exceptional circumstances”.
What happens with servers that are defederared. Is that one of the 0.01%?
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In other words, can any user delete its data on its will and is there something that will remove its data from all the connected activitypub services?
I believe this should actually be a basic feature and pretty much a requirement.Treat it similarly to how you should treat posting on any social media service.
If you make a post, that is federated to all kinds of other instances. They might process your delete request, or they might just ignore it and keep old posts stored for as long as they want. It’s the same with if you make a post on Reddit, someone sends that thread’s URL to the Internet Archive, and now there’s a permanent record of your account there.
If you post publicly, expect it will be recorded by someone publicly viewing it, and it will not be guaranteed to be removed.
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In other words, can any user delete its data on its will and is there something that will remove its data from all the connected activitypub services?
I believe this should actually be a basic feature and pretty much a requirement.Yes, all data on your account can be deleted, by deleting your account.
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Yes, all data on your account can be deleted, by deleting your account.
Except what has been federated. There is no guarantee any server honors that request.
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What happens with servers that are defederared. Is that one of the 0.01%?
Good question!
PieFed sends delete requests to every known server, including defederated ones. I’ve seen a ton of delete requests from Mastodon too, for accounts that don’t exist on PieFed so it looks like Mastodon does that too. No idea about other fedi platforms.
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Except what has been federated. There is no guarantee any server honors that request.
You mean publicly made comments? If if all servers honoured the delete request, there’s no guarantee that the comments are not saved somewhere else.
Data like IP, email etc. is deleted.
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